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Correct. I'm saying it may be being done under the banner of progressivism. But it's not.

You've never seen me state progressivism is pure. Sometimes it's spread its wings too far or too fast. It's not perfect. Certainly no political philosophy is. But its the belief system that allows the most people the opportunity to live in equality. And to have equal opportunity. This is not equality though. This is advantageous which defeats the basic premise of progressivism. Somebody took it too far. It just needs to be checked better from time to time.
I’m an original progressive (see avatar), and it was never about equality of outcomes like it is today. It was always about ensuring people had a fair shot to reach their potential and we protected ourselves where necessary from the overreaches of capitalism (like protecting the environment). And in all other cases leave people the hell alone. In other words, it was life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

Progressivism today is an abomination.
 

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I’m an original progressive (see avatar), and it was never about equality of outcomes like it is today. It was always about ensuring people had a fair shot to reach their potential and we protected ourselves where necessary from the overreaches of capitalism (like protecting the environment). And in all other cases leave people the hell alone. In other words, it was life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

Progressivism today is an abomination.
The etymology of our political labels is a topic of endless fascination. 99% of the people who throw these terms about don't have any idea where they came from. What is called a traditional conservative today (the ones being edged out of the Republican Party) was once philosophically known as a classical liberal. Things change over time, and terms acquire new meanings that are completely divorced from their philosophical underpinnings. I've always found it amusing that the term "progressive" roared into modern political discourse largely in response to the successful effort by Republican strategists to turn "liberal" into a pejorative.
 

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Yeah, Sweden was broke, had a huge boom for 100 years or so, then decided to quit doing what was working. My dad bailed in ‘72 and tells everyone he was born in the wrong country.

“But in one century, everything was changed. Sweden had the fastest economic and social development that its people had ever experienced, and one of the fastest the world had ever seen. Between 1850 and 1950 the average Swedish income multiplied eightfold, while population doubled. Infant mortality fell from 15 to 2 per cent, and average life expectancy rose an incredible 28 years. A poor peasant nation had become one of the world’s richest countries.

Many people abroad think that this was the triumph of the Swedish Social Democratic Party, which somehow found the perfect middle way, managing to tax, spend, and regulate Sweden into a more equitable distribution of wealth—without hurting its productive capacity. And so Sweden—a small country of nine million inhabitants in the north of Europe—became a source of inspiration for people around the world who believe in government-led development and distribution.

But there is something wrong with this interpretation. In 1950, when Sweden was known worldwide as the great success story, taxes in Sweden were lower and the public sector smaller than in the rest of Europe and the United States. It was not until then that Swedish politicians started levying taxes and disbursing handouts on a large scale, that is, redistributing the wealth that businesses and workers had already created. Sweden’s biggest social and economic successes took place when Sweden had a laissez-faire economy, and widely distributed wealth preceded the welfare state.”

Basically a bunch of **** Bernie and his fellow socialists fail to mention.

https://www.nassauinstitute.org/article1372/
Sounds like Dad is a smart man.

I think Bernie knowingly misleads people about the Nordic countries to drive his agenda and his agenda isn't a vast utopia of rainbows and sunshine. Or he's an idiot (both?)

The Swedish were smart enough to move from an agrarian economy to a capitalist society driving their wealth to enormous levels. What I found fascinating from the read was the vast majority of major companies created in the Nordics was prior to their move to socialism. After the move over regulation, government intervention and taxation stifled growth (as it always does) and the creation of innovative new businesses. The result in the now approaching 50 years since the change is that their rainy day fund continues to shrink quickly. Fast forward to today where they were foolish enough to allow mass immigration and the coffers are getting tight, the people are getting restless and the politicians are moving further right. In reality there were cracks showing in the model starting in the early 90s (only 20 years after the switch). It's a really good read.

I also recommend "The Strange Death of Europe: Immigration, Identity, Islam" by Douglas Murray. It's ironic that Muslims going back centuries tried multiple times to invade Europe (Mehmed II versus Vlad III or as he's known Vlad the Impaler or Vlad Dracula (yes the origin of Dracula) is fascinating) and repeatedly failed. Now centuries later Europe basically opened their arms and said come on in.

Since you're a Sowell fan you probably also read Walter Williams but if not he's a good one too. "American Contempt for Liberty", "Liberty versus the Tyranny of Socialism" and "Race and Economics" are 3 good ones but he has a million books.
 

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I have way more family over there than here.

I have an uncle who was in parliament and the Secretary General of the Swedish Moderate Party when they surprisingly swept to power in 1979.

Funny story, the first time I met him was 1984. Sweden sent some reps to each of the conventions. He told his buddy he should go to Dallas because Reagan was going to win in a landslide and he’d go to San Francisco to see the losing team. But really he just wanted to come see us (we’re from the Bay Area).

He has some great stories:

Said Jacques Chirac was the biggest asshole he ever met in politics. “And I shared a limo with Nicolae Ceaușescu and his equally awful wife.”

Also had to basically be snuck out of Israel during one of their many conflicts. My aunt was with him and pregnant with my cousin.

But to answer your question, most of my family would be to the left over here but to the right of Hip.

Nicolae was a massive bad guy. Ironically Romanian the same place as Vlad the Impaler (see above) who ruled Wallachia which is now Romania.
 
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I’m an original progressive (see avatar), and it was never about equality of outcomes like it is today. It was always about ensuring people had a fair shot to reach their potential and we protected ourselves where necessary from the overreaches of capitalism (like protecting the environment). And in all other cases leave people the hell alone. In other words, it was life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

Progressivism today is an abomination.
Like most things that are good/great when the dems see it they co-opt it, bastardize it and ruin it. They've distorted the original version. I think today's "progressives" see the word as meaning, "enlightened, smarter than you, more advanced, etc.." thus some of the stupidity that is their policies and arguments supporting those policies.
 

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The etymology of our political labels is a topic of endless fascination. 99% of the people who throw these terms about don't have any idea where they came from. What is called a traditional conservative today (the ones being edged out of the Republican Party) was once philosophically known as a classical liberal. Things change over time, and terms acquire new meanings that are completely divorced from their philosophical underpinnings. I've always found it amusing that the term "progressive" roared into modern political discourse largely in response to the successful effort by Republican strategists to turn "liberal" into a pejorative.
I have said many times that "Classical Liberal" is a better fit for me than any of the tags thrown around today.

It's sad how often when I say "Classical Liberal" how many people, proving themselves completely ignorant of political philosophy, only hear 'Liberal" and, really annoying to me, proceed to quote something "Rush" said. When I respond that's nice, but that Limbaugh is primarily an entertainer, albeit a very successful one, they think I may have insulted Limbaugh, and vicariously them, but they aren't sure.

I too think it's amusing how political terminology has evolved.

“When I use a word,” Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, “it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less.” “The question is,” said Alice, “whether you can make words mean so many different things.” “The question is,” said Humpty Dumpty, “which is to be master—that's all.”
 

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It’s the most woke movement of the day, that biological men, in the day and age of everything being sexist and some sort of appropriation, should compete against biological females.
Woke means what exactly? Is it sleep deprived stupidity?
 

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“When I use a word,” Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, “it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less.” “The question is,” said Alice, “whether you can make words mean so many different things.” “The question is,” said Humpty Dumpty, “which is to be master—that's all.”
Humpty was a liberal?
 

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Sure, but it's coming to an Olympics near you.
Not necessarily. The Olympics have rules in place that female competitors can't exceed certain testosterone levels, regardless of what their background is. That's the reason, at least to me, that Brittney Griner didn't play in the Olympics.
 

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Why don't they (NCAA) and (Olympics) start keeping new records for Tricky Dickey Balls Records. I can't wait for the guys to start wearing those Licyra outfits with no jocks, it will be a made for TV docu drama.