US to deport "millions" of illegals next week

JG

Member Who Talks (A Lot!)
Oct 29, 2008
61,292
11,998
0
They use their voice when they vote and the people we vote into office form the legislative and executive branches of our democracy. The laws on the books get approved by Congress which are approved by the Senate, which are signed into law or vetoed by the president. With that in mind, coming into this country illegally is breaking the law, which is enforced by our government.
I get it. you want them to enforce it harder. Spend more money, put more resources on getting rid of illegals.

That will take more consensus. How are you going to convince the other side that they need to spend more money and effort enforcing this?
 

Turnbo828

Member Who Talks (A Lot!)
Jun 2, 2014
18,373
27,847
0
Pearland, Tx
I get it. you want them to enforce it harder. Spend more money, put more resources on getting rid of illegals.

That will take more consensus. How are you going to convince the other side that they need to spend more money and effort enforcing this?
You don’t have to. It’s the law.
 
  • Like
Reactions: texvet16

TexasPalladin

Member Who Talks (A Lot!)
Nov 30, 2008
7,796
12,037
0
@JG , there is one major flaw in your thinking on this particular episode.

The 1,000,000 the President is targeting are ILLEGALS who have already been issued "Final Deportation Orders" by a Federal Judge. Are you saying the President and the Law enforcement to ignore a legal order?
In other words, these people have been given a legal eviction notice and now it is just a matter of enforcing it.
They have no legal recourse...Period.
IF Congress wants to play dodgeball with the law, then they shouldn't bitch when the President takes action while they dither and play election year political games.

This is not the Presidents fault. He is just taking the appropriate legal actions in order to enforce the laws he swore an oath to uphold and enforce.
Don't like it?
Blame the Legislative branch for playing hot potato with humans instead of actually fixing the problem.


Semper Fi
 

JG

Member Who Talks (A Lot!)
Oct 29, 2008
61,292
11,998
0
You don’t have to. It’s the law.
Speeding is against the law to. Our representatives decide how much money and resources they want to dedicate to stopping people from speeding.

Our Representatives do not just decide what is against the law, but how hard they want to fight it.
 

Turnbo828

Member Who Talks (A Lot!)
Jun 2, 2014
18,373
27,847
0
Pearland, Tx
Speeding is against the law to. Our representatives decide how much money and resources they want to dedicate to stopping people from speeding.

Our Representatives do not just decide what is against the law, but how hard they want to fight it.
I get speeding tickets all the ****ing time. I see multiple cops in the same hiding spots every day on the way to work.

It doesn’t change the fact that the law is the law. If you break it, you can be punished for it if you’re caught.
 
  • Like
Reactions: texvet16

JG

Member Who Talks (A Lot!)
Oct 29, 2008
61,292
11,998
0
????
That was one of the dumber posts you have ever made.
Our Representatives MAKE the Law ya putz.
The President is charged with enforcing it.


Semper Fi
They decide what resources get allocated to enforce the laws too.
 

UTGrad91

Member Who Talks (A Lot!)
Oct 29, 2008
13,981
7,031
0
They decide what resources get allocated to enforce the laws too.
The President and Congress agree to a budget for law enforcement agencies and then the President sets priorities for these agencies based upon the agreed budget. If Trump wants to put more resources into enforcing deportation orders that is his right.
 

JG

Member Who Talks (A Lot!)
Oct 29, 2008
61,292
11,998
0
The President and Congress agree to a budget for law enforcement agencies and then the President sets priorities for these agencies based upon the agreed budget. If Trump wants to put more resources into enforcing deportation orders that is his right.
He can’t just shift funds from one budget to another. The budget is allocated based upon the law passed by Congress.

The power of the purse resides in the House. And not the White one.
 

TEXBTP

Member Who Talks (A Lot!)
Oct 29, 2008
12,779
4,291
0
He can’t just shift funds from one budget to another. The budget is allocated based upon the law passed by Congress.

The power of the purse resides in the House. And not the White one.
That is an old America rule. POTUS can declare anything an emergency and do whatever he wants.
 

JG

Member Who Talks (A Lot!)
Oct 29, 2008
61,292
11,998
0
That is an old America rule. POTUS can declare anything an emergency and do whatever he wants.
You got it.

I started to “like” your comment...but I hate it. Not the comment itself, just the reality of it.
 

UTGrad91

Member Who Talks (A Lot!)
Oct 29, 2008
13,981
7,031
0
He can’t just shift funds from one budget to another. The budget is allocated based upon the law passed by Congress.

The power of the purse resides in the House. And not the White one.
Once again, the overall budget for agencies is set by congress and the President, but agencies decide how to spend the money given to them in the budget.

Congress doesn't tell ICE that they can't deport people.
 

calvin farquhar

Member Who Talks (A Lot!)
Dec 19, 2017
6,977
12,643
0
Once again, the overall budget for agencies is set by congress and the President, but agencies decide how to spend the money given to them in the budget.

Congress doesn't tell ICE that they can't deport people.
So basically, if Defense decided to take their entire budget and buy tanks, they get to buy tanks.

Is it weird when a department or agency gets their funding they can spend it where they think it would do the best work. A little like a division of a greedy capitalist corporation.
 

UTGrad91

Member Who Talks (A Lot!)
Oct 29, 2008
13,981
7,031
0
So basically, if Defense decided to take their entire budget and buy tanks, they get to buy tanks.

Is it weird when a department or agency gets their funding they can spend it where they think it would do the best work. A little like a division of a greedy capitalist corporation.
Well, defense is different because a lot of those weapons do have to get separate appropriations, but that's not the case for ICE.
 

JG

Member Who Talks (A Lot!)
Oct 29, 2008
61,292
11,998
0
Once again, the overall budget for agencies is set by congress and the President, but agencies decide how to spend the money given to them in the budget.

Congress doesn't tell ICE that they can't deport people.
Congress budgets money. If ICE wants extra to hunt down, detain, and deport a whole bunch of additional folks Congress has to appropriate it.
 

UTGrad91

Member Who Talks (A Lot!)
Oct 29, 2008
13,981
7,031
0
Congress budgets money. If ICE wants extra to hunt down, detain, and deport a whole bunch of additional folks Congress has to appropriate it.
No they don't, the budget isn't that detailed.
 

texvet16

Member Who Talks (A Lot!)
Jan 15, 2017
5,051
7,346
0
So what is it that Congress isn’t doing then? @texvet16 was upset at Congress’ inaction.
@JG, you're a smart person, you know Congress could change the laws in order to kill the current loopholes that incentivize illegal immigrants to make the treacherous journey to this country.
 
  • Like
Reactions: TexasPalladin

calvin farquhar

Member Who Talks (A Lot!)
Dec 19, 2017
6,977
12,643
0
@JG, you're a smart person, you know Congress could change the laws in order to kill the current loopholes that incentivize illegal immigrants to make the treacherous journey to this country.

You don't even have to be smart to know this, only some level of base competency. But they won't, because, Trump.

I think I saw something that was being passed around and getting close but a lot of tag on's to the bill were being made, probably killing it. After which, you'll see faces in the cameras saying they put a bill up but '"fill in party here" refused to cooperate. They just need to put together a clean bill. Wall, dreamers, new laws, funding, etc...and get it done.
 

JG

Member Who Talks (A Lot!)
Oct 29, 2008
61,292
11,998
0
@JG, you're a smart person, you know Congress could change the laws in order to kill the current loopholes that incentivize illegal immigrants to make the treacherous journey to this country.
What changes should they do?

Here is the thing...Congress does what their constituents want...and those who voted for a Dem House don't necessarily want those loopholes removed (even though some like me do). Your issue is with the voters, not their representatives.
 

JG

Member Who Talks (A Lot!)
Oct 29, 2008
61,292
11,998
0
You don't even have to be smart to know this, only some level of base competency. But they won't, because, Trump.

I think I saw something that was being passed around and getting close but a lot of tag on's to the bill were being made, probably killing it. After which, you'll see faces in the cameras saying they put a bill up but '"fill in party here" refused to cooperate. They just need to put together a clean bill. Wall, dreamers, new laws, funding, etc...and get it done.
The problem is there isn't consensus. No one wants to compromise.
 

calvin farquhar

Member Who Talks (A Lot!)
Dec 19, 2017
6,977
12,643
0
The problem is there isn't consensus. No one wants to compromise.
Only because, Trump. Say it with me now, Trump. Pre-Trump, they pretty much agreed on most things, including a wall with a need to get down in the details. Talks could have been made, but, fast forward to 2016, and, Trump. The main consensus is, they don't want it fixed because they lose a campaign talking point. That's it. Well, and dems see a new voter base so even less likely to do anything. But mainly, because, Trump.
 
  • Like
Reactions: TexasPalladin

kennoisewater

Member Who Talks
Nov 19, 2018
493
821
0
Only because, Trump. Say it with me now, Trump. Pre-Trump, they pretty much agreed on most things, including a wall with a need to get down in the details. Talks could have been made, but, fast forward to 2016, and, Trump. The main consensus is, they don't want it fixed because they lose a campaign talking point. That's it. Well, and dems see a new voter base so even less likely to do anything. But mainly, because, Trump.
“Because Trump” is to a significant degree the fault of Trump.
 

calvin farquhar

Member Who Talks (A Lot!)
Dec 19, 2017
6,977
12,643
0
“Because Trump” is to a significant degree the fault of Trump.
Thinking he's a dick is one thing. Not conducting the business of the Country is another. You can actually despise the guy but work on legislation you've previously talked about getting done in spite of him being a dick. But, him being a dick is pretty much the only reason nothing on his agenda is getting done. We don't like him, so we will immediately dismiss anything and everything before we've even looked at it. So, yeah, he's a dick, so what. Get the work done the citizens sent you to DC to get done. It's like saying, my college prof is a dick, so I won't do any of the work in his class to spite him. Stupid.
 
  • Like
Reactions: TexasPalladin

ttaghorn

Member Who Talks (A Lot!)
Oct 29, 2008
11,828
3,245
0
If it is ones that claimed bogus asylum and then overstayed...bye.
How about those that simply forgot to show up for the hearing, or skipped town before. Or those that have fled to other States, working under alias's, no green card, and do not file Fed Income tax returns. Or those that have committed felony crimes while "visiting the US". Lots of valid reasons for sending them back to wherever and may the door kick them in the ass on the way out. I haven't even mentioned those that are residing in "Santuary Cities", knowing full well that they are protected from deportation by the local authorities.
 

ttaghorn

Member Who Talks (A Lot!)
Oct 29, 2008
11,828
3,245
0
Thinking he's a dick is one thing. Not conducting the business of the Country is another. You can actually despise the guy but work on legislation you've previously talked about getting done in spite of him being a dick. But, him being a dick is pretty much the only reason nothing on his agenda is getting done. We don't like him, so we will immediately dismiss anything and everything before we've even looked at it. So, yeah, he's a dick, so what. Get the work done the citizens sent you to DC to get done. It's like saying, my college prof is a dick, so I won't do any of the work in his class to spite him. Stupid.
????
That was one of the dumber posts you have ever made.
Our Representatives MAKE the Law ya putz.
The President is charged with enforcing it.


Semper Fi
That was probably the dumbest thing he has every written. The President doesn't write the laws, he is charged with enforcing them, even tho the Democrats, who hate his guts, continue to stand in his way.
 
  • Like
Reactions: TexasPalladin

JG

Member Who Talks (A Lot!)
Oct 29, 2008
61,292
11,998
0
Here is another question. These raids are all over the news, and Trump is talking about them as well.

Why?

If we are going to do a bunch of raids, why the hell announce them ahead of time and have a bunch of people run away and hide?

It makes no sense.

Unless of course the goal is say “look look we are deporting a whole bunch of aliens”...
 
  • Angry
Reactions: Duke Silver

SmackBrown

Member Who Talks (A Lot!)
Oct 29, 2008
13,656
5,062
0
Dallas, TX
It's PPS not PSS, you tard.
PPS


In the old days before personal computers, when people wanted to add something to a letter they had already ended, they would add a “postscript” (from Latin post scriptum, meaning “that which comes after the writing”). These postscripts were introduced with the label “PS” or “P.S.”
When they wanted to add something else after the postscript, it was labelled “PPS” for “post postscript.” But many people trying to follow this pattern today mistakenly write “PSS” instead.
Since modern technology makes it so easy to revise and add to texts, in most cases it’s better to just go back and insert the additional material at an appropriate point in the main body of the writing. “PSS” makes you look not only ignorant, but lazy.

LOL!
 

calvin farquhar

Member Who Talks (A Lot!)
Dec 19, 2017
6,977
12,643
0
Well, according to reports, the mass deportation was called off for a couple of weeks at the request of the dems. Maybe the reason for announcing it, which does seem odd, was to apply pressure to get something done.
 

JG

Member Who Talks (A Lot!)
Oct 29, 2008
61,292
11,998
0
Well, according to reports, the mass deportation was called off for a couple of weeks at the request of the dems. Maybe the reason for announcing it, which does seem odd, was to apply pressure to get something done.
Actually, Trump himself said he called it off at the request of Dems. But that was after he said the raids were targeting MS-13.

SIGH
 

mcb0703!

Member Who Talks (A Lot!)
Feb 6, 2015
13,600
22,751
0
Actually, Trump himself said he called it off at the request of Dems. But that was after he said the raids were targeting MS-13.

SIGH
Sigh.

Pelosi called Trump Friday night requesting the delay with the agreement to work on immigration reform over the next 2 weeks.

What additional facts (other than those you’re making up) are you needing to understand this issue?
 
  • Like
Reactions: TexasPalladin

calvin farquhar

Member Who Talks (A Lot!)
Dec 19, 2017
6,977
12,643
0
Sigh.

Pelosi called Trump Friday night requesting the delay with the agreement to work on immigration reform over the next 2 weeks.

What additional facts (other than those you’re making up) are you needing to understand this issue?
I figured it would be clear who called a halt since it would have to be the same guy that gave the go ahead.
 
  • Like
Reactions: TexasPalladin